tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post3968110314990751725..comments2024-02-24T06:10:42.255-08:00Comments on Congo Siasa: M23 beats a tactical retreat, troubles in GomaJason Stearnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11454449854081540397noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-27014806370511807762012-12-23T10:11:06.684-08:002012-12-23T10:11:06.684-08:00BBO aka Beats by Octavia offers the best hip hop, ...BBO aka Beats by Octavia offers the best hip hop, r&b, rap and pop beats for sale online. Buy exclusive beats for sale now and save on your production…<br /><a href="http://www.dreambeatz.com" rel="nofollow">buy beats</a><br /><a href="http://www.dreambeatz.com" rel="nofollow">beats online</a><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13544560115339601296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-68358179484729163462012-07-11T13:18:31.994-07:002012-07-11T13:18:31.994-07:00What happened to the 7000 soldiers ,did KABILA rea...What happened to the 7000 soldiers ,did KABILA realy deploy 7000 soldiers to that region or not ? What happened to the so called Belgian and American trained special forces, I think the Belgians and Americans just fooling KABILA with some kind of army training in order to obtain more mining concessions from him,or they're just doing some fake training to further weaken the army. What happened to the helicopter gun chips. If only some hundreds of the former Cndp defected and 600 fled to Uganda,where are the thousands more soldiers ,the thanks.....there are more questions to be answered .and we are awaiting the response ore reaction from the government. I KABILA wants to commit suicide once and for all he shall go ahead and negotiate another infiltration accord with Kagame's boys.congo manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281097988239620048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-13800862139858675862012-07-11T06:12:52.872-07:002012-07-11T06:12:52.872-07:00A must read :
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/afr...A must read :<br /><br />http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/africa/two-most-loyal-soldiers-dr-congo<br /><br />The 2 most loyal soldiers of DRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-88928942873223582462012-07-10T23:35:31.560-07:002012-07-10T23:35:31.560-07:00I wonder if any town in rwanda is attack by fardc ...I wonder if any town in rwanda is attack by fardc this nice picture will persist.people of goma didnt invent the term witch hunt.we should put things in perspective.all we can hope is for whoever is in charge to protect the innocent s.<br />BlaiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-10693899423439353852012-07-10T22:32:19.344-07:002012-07-10T22:32:19.344-07:00@ano 10:03 Kagame and its tutsi thugs are killing ...@ano 10:03 Kagame and its tutsi thugs are killing congolese in Congo and keeping token congolese in peace in Rwanda. It is part of the nice picture that Kagame fabricated, there is peace back home. And the fact that nobody report harassement does not mean there is none. It would be interesting to dig a little bit there and see if there was REALLY no attack against congolese in Rwanda.<br /><br />And please let it go with the genocid things, its overated!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-73420708755234259092012-07-10T21:29:10.507-07:002012-07-10T21:29:10.507-07:00I am sorry but I strongly desagree with the articl...I am sorry but I strongly desagree with the article...I think Jason has been in the region for quite some time but doesn't understand at all the dynamic of social conflicts !! When he talks about organization, I don't know what he is talking about...people in Eastern Congo are tired, they don't need to be told or organized by anyone that those who are attacking them... if there is any organization, its the Rwanda government who has organized and armed an ethnic group(the M23)so that it can attack the other ethnic groups in DRC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-1857289342498076612012-07-10T20:46:18.616-07:002012-07-10T20:46:18.616-07:00What is kabila goal on all of this?
And frankly R...What is kabila goal on all of this?<br /><br />And frankly Rich, from every where you get the info it says the same thing and it has been saying the same thing for ages. And you also admit that you are aware of this, so the same every question, if everybody knows why not addressing issues? Why do you continue running around the bush.<br /><br />The M23 will present its political wing today in Bunaga, and it seems that Mbusa Nyamwisi, ex RCD-KML, ex Kabila Foreign Minister, ex presidential candidate, is amongst "the leader". At least Kinshas press and independent journalist have been reporting on his presence in Kigali. Eventualy we will know today or very soon.<br /><br />Same Afdl/RCD/CNDP tactics. Why you Congoleses are you always caught by the same, stupid and well known Rwandese strategy?<br /><br />I won't stop supporting you, because as human being I can not see all these video of people spending their life running and dying for nothing. But hey guys, you need to help us. It becomes clear that the problem is Kinshasa and with your democracy ala Kabila, very soon you won't have a country and instead of building a state you will be burying yours. <br /><br />Never seen so much mediocrity from a government, this is beyond insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-13872811266177875752012-07-10T15:40:20.128-07:002012-07-10T15:40:20.128-07:00According to Peter Greste reporting live from Ruma...According to Peter Greste reporting live from Rumangabo, FARDC soldiers were not ordered to leave the base. The morale amongst the government troops was very low. "We only found two government soldiers here. There is no running water and the conditions are absolutely appalling," Greste said on Monday.<br />Watch both videos on this page for more info. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/07/2012791115559794.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-77243560977143895252012-07-10T15:13:05.932-07:002012-07-10T15:13:05.932-07:00Anon 1:22 -
I am fully aware of FARDC's ongoi...Anon 1:22 -<br /><br />I am fully aware of FARDC's ongoing problems and these have been around for a while. However, I wanted to find out more if there are reliable sources confirming that soldiers deployed to the front-line where not given what was needed (including wages) to do their job. I said this based on other reports where commanders were given cash and ammos to go and take on mutineers.<br /><br />My understanding of the bunagana case (because this is where the crisis took a turn for the worse) is that it was more a major tactical plight than anything else but then developed into a complete melt down of FARDC forward positions in the axis Bunagana, Ruthuru and to some extent Rumangabo with all the consequences that can have on the moral.<br /><br />I have heard various and sometimes conflicting reports myself on this very issue. In the Congolese context, every bit of news need to be taken with a pinch of salt even if they come from FARDC themselves.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-81682788875288812462012-07-10T13:22:10.684-07:002012-07-10T13:22:10.684-07:00@Rich,
Tweet from Aljazeera reporter Peter Greste ...@Rich,<br />Tweet from Aljazeera reporter Peter Greste @PeterGreste in goma :<br />#DRCongo army is so broke that local groups r collecting donations to pay soldiers fighting rebels in the east. Working on the story now<br />4 Jul 2012 7:19 @peterGpreste<br />Seems like PK info quiet accurate.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-77071448080988480902012-07-10T12:57:17.316-07:002012-07-10T12:57:17.316-07:00what happened to Mende?curious he just vanished.
S...what happened to Mende?curious he just vanished.<br />Soldiers are superstitious ppl, they said as soon Amissi Tango four appear, they started losing. I think soldiers remember those who worked for the rdf and don't trust them.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-54874624993009157392012-07-10T09:47:42.364-07:002012-07-10T09:47:42.364-07:00Trying to put the pieces together. Here's ano...Trying to put the pieces together. Here's another odd one bit: <br /><br />The Congolese govt's acting spokesperson told Reuters "We've seen a sudden and major increase in the fire power and forces of the mutineers... These facts corroborate the support from the neighbouring country." <br /><br />Al-Jazeera reports that only 2 of 2500 soldiers stayed at the Rumangabo Military base when the M23 rebels approached. The rest left town in the morning.<br /><br />It appears the FARDC soliders were ordered to leave since there are no accusations of "abandoning their posts". <br /><br />Hmmmm<br /><br />GlenysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-87619228443600951142012-07-10T08:42:52.286-07:002012-07-10T08:42:52.286-07:00thanks Rutshuru/London, this document should not b...thanks Rutshuru/London, this document should not be taken lightly AFDL, RCD and CNDP started exactly like this. What does DRC gov do ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-90503939490018386712012-07-10T08:31:52.761-07:002012-07-10T08:31:52.761-07:00"Kabila to be toppled within 60 days"
W..."Kabila to be toppled within 60 days"<br /><br />We need all the intelligence, so we can understand the enemy's mindset.<br />This website is run by Uganda security services-I think 40% is true.<br /><br />http://redpepper.co.ug/welcome/?p=40779<br /><br />Rutshuru/LondonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-62157557175162180062012-07-10T08:15:17.107-07:002012-07-10T08:15:17.107-07:00UN news agency briefing on North Kivu crisis
http...UN news agency briefing on North Kivu crisis<br /><br />http://www.irinnews.org/Report/95836/Briefing-Crisis-in-North-Kivu<br /><br />and to put some faces on the misery of South Kivu :<br /><br />http://www.aljazeera.com/video/africa/2012/07/20127653748592304.html<br /><br />@Rich look at those other report from also describing how congolese army is not paid:<br /><br />http://www.aljazeera.com/video/africa/2012/07/20127653748592304.html<br /><br />I will advise to spend some time in Aljazeera videos on congo, you can get a good timeline, from when Congolese army was advancing to now when it is total chaos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-78304863458422207622012-07-10T08:02:45.963-07:002012-07-10T08:02:45.963-07:00http://www.pole-institute.org/site%20web/echos/ech...http://www.pole-institute.org/site%20web/echos/echo173.htm<br /><br />More on what happened in Goma yesterday. (And I know Dominic Johnson is also linked to Pole)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-61475797424133978612012-07-10T07:57:23.104-07:002012-07-10T07:57:23.104-07:00@juliette
Thank you for pushing for clarification...@juliette<br /><br />Thank you for pushing for clarification. As this situation evolves it is critical we tath we strive for accuracy -- not overstate, not understate. Much is at stake. <br /><br />BBC viz from Goma and Rutshuru <br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18778228<br /><br />GlenysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-85909852683724942122012-07-10T07:19:11.916-07:002012-07-10T07:19:11.916-07:00@ munacongo, your last point on JK and Kagame hold...@ munacongo, your last point on JK and Kagame holding talks, that is what they have been doing for these last years. And you can see where these talks have led us, with an infiltrated army and lost of sovereignty on the kivus.<br /><br />Kabila cannot be let alone negotiate with Kagame, he will again cook something against Congolese' interest.<br /><br />We as a population, we must be involved through public debate in parliament, even though this parliament has no legitimacy.<br /><br />Jk is a traitor i dont trust him to negotiate anything in congolese population behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-63523581541650614792012-07-10T06:55:14.701-07:002012-07-10T06:55:14.701-07:00@Ano. at July 10, 2012 2:51 AM
I regret if I hav...@Ano. at July 10, 2012 2:51 AM <br /><br />I regret if I have ever left an impression that I support any Congolese politician. I support Congo. But I am sadly glad that the latest events have borne out the thrust of my argument on this blog, which is:<br /><br />(1) Given DRC’s 52-year particular history, the legality and stability however tenuous of institutions, more even than their legitimacy, is the first and most crucial step towards “une republique” (as Congolese peculiarly view it as a set of institutions including army, public service or justice system that transcend and unite all communities) and a real democracy. Thus any wannabe Coup experimenters now think twice. That is why the Rwandan M23 militia, unable to find a legal or popular base for their schemes, realise just how impossible it is to either proclaim the Kivus as a Rwandan province, or a Tutsi-Hima-Virunga republic. So they remain vague and let the gun talk instead.<br /><br />(2) The violence that Kagame troops carry out in the Kivus now is absurd, useless and will achieve nothing substantive for any community, especially the Tutsi people in the Kivus. To be blunt, Kagame can make a spectacular military point but the violence only strains further relations amongst communities that are condemned to live together and poisons the future. <br /><br />The real question is can the IC, who have worked so hard and spent $blns for the nascent peace in the Kivus, allow an individual to annihilate all this? JK and Kagame should be pushed to hold short and direct talks about the control of their common borders by an int’l body like MONUSCO (if Kagame does not mind) . People in the Kivus are suffering and dying in vain. <br /> <br />muanacongoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-71039977537311729462012-07-10T06:40:22.205-07:002012-07-10T06:40:22.205-07:00Rich,
These information I got in talking with sol...Rich,<br /><br />These information I got in talking with soldiers themsleves and I did not get it from one or two... and the people I talked to are high ranking officers and simple soldiers. It is from these people that I get that sense of frustration. Those people might have lied to me, it is true. I admit.<br /><br />And even let's agree that my sources are wrong, ok. And in this case our soldiers have done "a strategic retreat". And decided to fall back without fighting just time after they were actively preparing for battle and they did that because they have received the order from Kinshasa to do so.<br /><br />What does it change to the underlying fact that the army and the country is structurally weak. That people are dying because they have nobody to protect them, that from a containment strategy of 600 peoples we are in panick mode in seeing how to defend Goma?<br /><br />JK as the chief of the army and President of the DRC is responsible of this shame. Either intentionally or by incompetence, I will let you decide. Someone said that he has led us for the last 10 years from defeat to humiliation.<br /><br />But the colatateral damage of this incompetency is all this chaos that his sprouting in the backdrop of this failed leadership. No one is gaining.<br /><br />If you have access to JK inner circle, or close circle. Then start question his choice and tell him to play his role or leave us alone.<br /><br />But again I realize that I am repeating myself and you also, we know each other position, let's move on. <br /><br />When I am sharing these news is for allowing you and fellows brother to understand how serious the situation is and to think of starting to do whatever they can to change. We are not distributing points. I am sure we share the same ultimate goal, my only point is that let's face reality. When we know the full extent of shortcomings we can really address them in all their dimensions. Like blaise say, we cannot continue to be surprised by information that we all know and take it as an excuse.<br /><br />So far that is what I have decided to do, to denounce and share information that I have. But as you know information change from the point you collect it. And in future I will be more specific in citing my source so anyone can make his opinion on the level of confidence they will have to put on these and when they are my thoughts I will say so.<br /><br />PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-38761827197576540202012-07-10T06:16:17.896-07:002012-07-10T06:16:17.896-07:00Juliette: You are right, Dominic Johnson's tex...Juliette: You are right, Dominic Johnson's text is from his Blog. However, (and I should say that I don't agree with everything he wrote and writes and that I criticised DJ very often in the past), his Blog is published on the webpage of a big German newspaper, the TAZ for which he writes for more than a decade on eastern Congo, Rwanda etc. As I said, on several occasions I had great difficulties with what he said/reported etc., but it struck me that Johnson, with good connections to Goma information - networks, and Stearns (who very often has a different view compared to Johnson) both reported similar events happening in Goma. <br /><br />This seems to suggest to me that the information of harassment of Tutsi (yes it is as of yet unclear whether this means brutal physical violence or psychological maltreatment, which always also borders on physical violence) is likely to have a truthful core. <br /><br />In any case, I have to agree with what people said beforehand in this thread: observers of this developing situation should mention and denounce both - xenophobic maltreatment and the war efforts of M23! <br /><br />LarsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-5392610292132882752012-07-10T05:30:29.032-07:002012-07-10T05:30:29.032-07:00@ Mel
sorry I was on the fly and upset about the F...@ Mel<br />sorry I was on the fly and upset about the Fardc.<br />Mr Gaetan is planing to start something in September. He wasn't really specific but his initiatives are promising as far as I can tell. Maybe he will try to do what you guys doing for your troops. Idk if you know how those organizations work.<br />here his contact:<br />standforthecongo@gmail.com<br /><br />Ty for your support to those congolese in need. May God bless you.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-23908555798439624222012-07-10T05:24:44.301-07:002012-07-10T05:24:44.301-07:00I personally don't understand why people are s...I personally don't understand why people are surprised that there was attacks(hopefully nobody died) against the Tutsi population in Goma : it's human nature!!!! The mob doesn't think, fear is irrational.<br />It happened before, it will happen again. The average citizen,under educated most of the time, will attack anyone they perceive as a treat.<br />Even Americans arrested most of the the Japanese population during ww2.<br />most recently, Russians were involved in a brawl in Poland. Even peaceful Zambians were mad and imposed an embargo to katanga because they killed one driver last week.<br />I'm not trying to minimize what happened to those individuals, what I'm trying to say is that when people take justice on their own hands things got out of control.<br />Like Pk said, the government should have take dispositions to secure everybody and condemn anybody who excite those xenophobic demonstration.<br />At the end of the day, all the stereotypes attached to us(heart of the darkness) will not serve our cause and just play the enemy's game.<br />And for those who irresponsibly took their arms to start those rebellions while putting their families in safe places, it should be say that their reckless actions deserved the people they are pretended to protect.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-5035677171870201002012-07-10T05:23:44.328-07:002012-07-10T05:23:44.328-07:00PK -
I try to read your comments carefully then I...PK -<br /><br />I try to read your comments carefully then I often struggle to disentangle facts from myths or intoxication. For intsance, where did you get the news from the FARDC in Rwindi? Where did you get the news soldiers are not paid? Can you please share your source? <br /><br />Juliette -<br /><br />I kind of get your point and this is quite reminiscent of L D Kabila messages back in 1998. Sorry the link is in french again! http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=TBsfmV6fLh8&feature=related<br /><br />It must be difficult to handle such situation when someone is banking on victimisation to get his/her point across or have what they want. It is like a woman who is trying to trick a man to get him charged with rape allegations.<br /><br />I heard the Governor of N-Kivu has summoned representative of taxi drivers and community leaders to ask them to refrain from targeting any one based on their ethnicity.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-63893437149795941732012-07-10T05:00:29.018-07:002012-07-10T05:00:29.018-07:00Bloody Paul Kagame always making our people suffer...Bloody Paul Kagame always making our people suffer...Painful..Painful!<br />However, I do support the arming of civilians-let all Congolese have guns and form neighborhood militias to resist the Kagame scourge.<br /><br />Fardac should stop playing conventional war on M23 Bandits as they'll always be supported by Africom pose(Kagame & Museveni)-guerilla tactics is the way forward.<br />Regardless of its sleepy leadership in Kinshasa, the populace is more politiced than was previously. Unlike previous Kagame's criminal adventures, this one will end nasty.<br />Watch the space!!<br /><br />Rutshuru/londonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com