tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post4426834732435042835..comments2024-02-24T06:10:42.255-08:00Comments on Congo Siasa: Defector diplomacyJason Stearnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11454449854081540397noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-53155282416919187052012-06-04T11:32:18.734-07:002012-06-04T11:32:18.734-07:00Anon June 4, 2012 4:19 AM -
Your comment reads so...Anon June 4, 2012 4:19 AM -<br /><br />Your comment reads so pathetic.<br /><br />Ref # "Kabila tricked CNDp and rwanda into siging as he was buying time and attack helicopters?"<br /><br />I think the reality is also that this helped rwanda stop using aid money from its donnors into waging war in DRC. In the same way, it stopped rwanda plundering DRC resources to enrich its political elite.<br /><br />Ref # "America went to Afghanistan and Iraq to hunt for one enemy, Osama. wont it be justified if Rwanda wnt into Congo to hunt for 8,000 genocidaires?..."<br /><br />When Armerica goes to Afghanistan and Irak to hunt their ennemies, they do not shy away to avoid their donnors to stop any fundings... They say it as it is. rwanda plays hypocrisy by not admitting what it is up to in eastern DRC.<br /><br />paul kagame should have the guts to admits that he is in DRC for the reasons you have mentioned here. Not doing that is pure COWARDICE.<br /><br />Have you not noticed that paul kagame has used up his credit so quickly? You watch this space in a few years, his own close allies will turn against him.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-39881812707368325572012-06-04T04:19:27.190-07:002012-06-04T04:19:27.190-07:00What happened to 2009 peace accord? Kabila tricked...What happened to 2009 peace accord? Kabila tricked CNDp and rwanda into siging as he was buying time and attack helicopters? He should pay for violating the agreement.<br />Again, Congolese arrogance is useless. Why habour FDLR? America went to Afghanistan and Iraq to hunt for one enemy, Osama. wont it be justified if Rwanda wnt into Congo to hunt for 8,000 genocidaires? Prapaganda apart, Rwanda ha right to self defence, directly, or through proxyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-79339445195937844822012-06-04T03:45:55.725-07:002012-06-04T03:45:55.725-07:00@ Dan,
check this one out :
http://www.afrique-exp...@ Dan,<br />check this one out :<br />http://www.afrique-express.com/archive/CENTRALE/rdcongo/rdcongoeco/243embargocoltan.htmblaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-2470819870343285762012-06-04T03:26:12.969-07:002012-06-04T03:26:12.969-07:00@ Dan,
they have also a joint venture with De Beer...@ Dan,<br />they have also a joint venture with De Beers. Who knows what else they up to?blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-67425229834690525722012-06-03T23:29:40.426-07:002012-06-03T23:29:40.426-07:00@ Blaise
Umicore is now focused exclusively on th...@ Blaise<br /><br />Umicore is now focused exclusively on the recycling of non-ferrous metals and the manufacture of specialised metallic and non-metal products. Mining, originally the lifeblood of the company, now plays no direct part in the business<br />Wikipedia Umicore<br />danAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-73380137726553968252012-06-03T15:39:13.660-07:002012-06-03T15:39:13.660-07:00Mende adding topping up the fury of kigali -
http:...Mende adding topping up the fury of kigali -<br />http://telechargement.rfi.fr.edgesuite.net/rfi/francais/audio/modules/actu/201206/57_RDC_son_Lambert_Mende.mp3<br /><br />The EU sending a clear message to m23<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIY6g4SCmIc&feature=youtu.be<br /><br />Gen Mayala promising an attack on m23 positions within 4 days ...<br />http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gxiRRV5OGtg4jw9StyyLPakxMwng?docId=CNG.45aa828a72fa6e04ac99ea3d19692843.771<br /><br />The week starting Monday 4 June seems to promise more unrest ...<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-79115651528224771112012-06-03T15:36:39.726-07:002012-06-03T15:36:39.726-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-11460593339245427392012-06-02T11:53:09.701-07:002012-06-02T11:53:09.701-07:00@ Anonym JUNE 2, 2012 6:59 AM
Idk, Jk is an enigma...@ Anonym JUNE 2, 2012 6:59 AM<br />Idk, Jk is an enigma surrounded by mysteries. The only time I remember a nationwide effort to help people from the East was under LDK. His son seems not to care about the East or even shut down any effort to built a sense of national solidarity. <br /><br />http://radiookapi.net/actualite/2012/06/02/kinshasa-une-marche-de-soutien-aux-fardc-la-population-de-ete-dispersee/blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-22602110967660343542012-06-02T11:41:46.218-07:002012-06-02T11:41:46.218-07:00@ congoman,
you are making some good points about ...@ congoman,<br />you are making some good points about all those conspiracies. I'm not familiar with the genocide in Rwanda, I just know that there was a lot of Tutsi and moderate hutus ( the FPR tend to forget about that)who have been killed. I think Carla del Ponte lost her job because she was trying to investigate on the massacre by the FPR. By the way, have you ever noticed the similarity between the way people where killed in Rwanda and the massacres done in Congo? Same killers? Interesting for an CSI investigation.<br />That said, I don't think that Clinton or Blair have any Machiavellian plans toward Congo. I think that like the stigma of the Holocaust, the drama in Rwanda has a myopic effect on Westerners. In another hand, it's well documented that big corporations, like vulture, have been preying on Congo since his creation. You may remember that when Leopold the second appropriate for himself this land, there was an understanding between the other powers that he will fail and they will take over after him.<br />To keep a long story short, I believe that we focus more on the political actors while the true perpetrators are those big corporations who use lobbying to advance their agendas. They have been working in the shadow for centuries. Do you know about Umicore? It used to be called union miniere du haut Katanga. Check out hwat they are doing in present days.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-84762741140998431632012-06-02T06:59:19.208-07:002012-06-02T06:59:19.208-07:00@muanacongo
JK and Kagame are essiential allies. ...@muanacongo<br /><br />JK and Kagame are essiential allies. They are both coldblooded sucking murders. Blaise is pretty much right, JK has very little interest in developing Congo but rather having more power. <br /><br />JK is a much laughable leader than LD Kabila was. Even LDK had interest somewhat helping the Congolese people but JK is less interested. All he wants is attention and wants to please all bunch whorish US cooperations who want free minerals and free coltan. <br /><br />Kagame went to Iowa two weeks ago. I mean the IOWA university president has several ties to Rwanda. I find it interesting that this man has been betrayed by pro-Rwanda televisions like CNN, and others as the The HOPE OF AFRICA. This makes me barf. Kagame has slaughtered many people who have the balls to speak against him. Kagame and JK are working together to set up plans to further poision East Congo because if it becomes a sham again then Kagame will get his way and another GREAT CONGO WAR begins which is unfortunate. KAGAME is a criminal. We need to stop the KAGAMISTS and KANAMBISTS from having the ability to poison East Congo.FrancoPepeKallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432227129763434585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-3364356365597910392012-06-02T04:00:57.385-07:002012-06-02T04:00:57.385-07:00I was responding to BlaiseI was responding to Blaisecongo manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281097988239620048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-71251966031671739752012-06-02T03:59:24.181-07:002012-06-02T03:59:24.181-07:00@I understand your point and I don't underesti...@I understand your point and I don't underestimate the power of guilt but I don't think guilt played any role in that relationship. Kagame was just a tool that CLINTON and BLAIR used to plunder our Country. There was a war in Rwanda and i believe more HUTUS perished in that war than the TUTSIS. The tutsis made up 14% of the Rwandan population in 1993, they made-up 15% in 1996 and they still make up 15% of the 10 million Rwandan population in 2012. If almost a million of them perished in 1994 out of a population of 10 millions that would'v taken their population to less than 5% of the Rwandan population. Yes there was a tribal war in Rwanda and both Hutus and Tutsis perished in that war . Just like the wapons of mass destruction was used to justify the invasion of Iraq, that massacre was called a genocide to justify the long planned invasion and occupation of Eastern DRC.congo manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281097988239620048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-13380374379588205212012-06-01T11:41:17.927-07:002012-06-01T11:41:17.927-07:00@churuchuru
You make an interesting point. I thin...@churuchuru<br /><br />You make an interesting point. I think we should not forget that Meece is former US ambassador in Kinshasa (during the wars if i'm right) , so he should know well power relations in the region and how they worked in the past. I think there are several corrents within Monusco, some coming from the field (staff and some embassies), others from other diplomacies and the SC council level-NY.<br />Some of them tried to emerge in the past when Alan Doss advocated for Kimia 2 against several internal concerns (within DPKO but especially UN humanitarian agencies). Others instead revealed at the times of the UN group of experts report (2008) that led to a big pressure on PK and a reshuffling on the ground. Others again came to surface at the times of the highly debated "Mapping report" that obliged Ban to fly to Kigali for a prompt negotiation and revision of the report.<br />Monusco itself isn't a pure entity but it is driven by its constituents.<br /><br />I think the article you posted on FDLR/Raia Mutomboki is more for justifying the attacks on the UN Peacekeepers in Bunyakiri and the impossibility of troops to act promptly.<br /><br />I can easily understand why Monusco has such a problem with Rwanda. It is undermining everything that the UN try to make in support of peace ... this is the actual limit of peacekeeping in proxy wars, I imagine being the same in similar situations ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-61669615526562773442012-06-01T09:58:23.391-07:002012-06-01T09:58:23.391-07:00@blaise
Absolutely, I do agree with u that we sho...@blaise<br /><br />Absolutely, I do agree with u that we should know our enemies’ friends. But can we turn them into our friends if they are irremediably bent on destroying us? I think we should rather find our own friends.<br /><br />The American political system is particularly centered around lobbying. If no lobby stands for a cause, that cause does not exists. I don’t know many American politicians who openly champion the Palestinian issue; they would be hanged by AIPAC and other Jewish lobbies and media. Lol.<br /><br />In short, having Americans as advocates of the cause and the true image of Congo in America is not only crucial for the quick end to this nightmare for our people, but it is even more important for foreign investment from American companies into Congo. How would these come and invest if every single article purposely portrays Congo as fatally the “Heart of Darkness in the Dark Continent” whose people deserves to die? Yet as u and I know, no people on earth is as vibrant, youthful, resilient and hopeful as Congolese!<br /><br />As to how the Congolese administration (JK and Mende) has lost the propaganda war to Rwanda, and has dismally failed to properlly frame the Congolese voice in all this, i have even more grievances. That is why we the Congolese should do something in our small individual capacity for our people and our contry , wherever and whenever.<br /><br />muanacongoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-43921216560582663502012-06-01T08:46:56.578-07:002012-06-01T08:46:56.578-07:00@ muanacongo,
I think you should know who are the ...@ muanacongo,<br />I think you should know who are the backers of your enemy. I read somewhere that during the first encounter between DRC representatives and the Obama administration, the congolese were surprised how well informed the americans were. We don't want to end up like Palestinian with so many friends but little to show for.<br />When you are talking about focusing on rebuilding Congo, I think you discount the fact that our own government seems to have their personal interests in mind, all the time.<br />If a campaign had to take place, we should learn from what happened with the white book: we had a united government, with his back to the wall, and who actually was caring about what was happening in the East. I don't feel the actual administration has the same concern,blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-57374039065767749462012-06-01T08:03:05.257-07:002012-06-01T08:03:05.257-07:00I think kagame is using a system to bring a shame ...I think kagame is using a system to bring a shame to MONUSCO.<br />The first thing the rebels did was to tell the population run away, just to bring a shame on MONUSCO. Monusco's mission was on question mark when tens of thousands people run away on the presence of so many MONUSCO troops, It was also tricky when DRC officials left their citizen to let them run to either Rwanda or Uganda than preparing for them temporary assistance.<br />I am thinking may be that is a system or trick by both DRC and Rwanda to do this then Monusco's mission get in trouble.<br />What Rwanda and DRC wanted was a success so far.<br />Some experts are concerned why this happened on the presence of Monusco than why Rwanda is helping the rebels;<br />http://allafrica.com/stories/201205311445.html<br /><br />Surprisingly Rwanda is asking Roger Meece to come to Kigali and explain what Monusco want mean;<br />http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UN-stirring-regional-tensions-Rwanda-20120531<br /><br />There is a tension between Monusco and Rwanda, but if DRC is backing Rwanda against Monusco, no one knows what will happens next.<br /><br />Why UN spokes person denounced the involvement of Rwanda in Congo conflict? why the words started changing?;<br />http://www.voanews.com/content/us_condemns_upsurge_massacres_violence_eastern_congo_drc/1145322.html<br />But still Kabila needs a good relation with Rwanda than Monusco. <br /><br />ChuruchuruAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-16545214277795222922012-06-01T07:05:02.356-07:002012-06-01T07:05:02.356-07:00Hi all,
A bit of focus and perspective are requir...Hi all,<br /><br />A bit of focus and perspective are required here. We should temper any obsession with Kagame and just ignore Kagame apologists. We can’t give a hoot who’s Kagame’s friend. T. Blair is not Britain and the Clintons are not America. Our aim should be first to dispel the anti-Congolese venom that Americans have been fed in the last 15 years, and make friends. Whoever friend of Congolese, politician or activist, who can help us attain this is welcome.<br /><br />If we were to play “guilt games”, America knows too well that the root cause of Congo’s problems is when they KILLED LUMUMBA (the day democracy and Congolese voice died!). But unlike Rwanda, Congo does not need the world’s pity or patronage. Our int’l cooperation should be based on mutual benefits with our friends, America, China, Russia and others. <br /><br />So, our real concern is not or should not be Kagame as such or even Rwanda. It is rather “Congo’s security” because we will always be the envy of many int’l banking and mining mafia. Kagame is just a regional mercenary 4 these predators. The solution therefore is to acquire a dissuasive defense like at the height of Mobutu’s reign when Congo was the “greatest friend” and le “gendarme regional” in the cold war. But 4 now, our priority is to eradicate the Rwandan militias (M23,FDLR) in the Kivus and start rebuilding our country. The rest will follow, this is Congo. <br /><br />muanacongoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-60316785826830590532012-06-01T04:31:06.486-07:002012-06-01T04:31:06.486-07:00@ Congoman,
I don't think Clinton and Blair pe...@ Congoman,<br />I don't think Clinton and Blair personally benefited from the conflict in the East. ( I may be wrong, who knows). i think it's undeniable that they have a long friendship with the rwandese's leader, and by extension, the rwandese people. One should not underestimate the power of guilt. Maybe you will care to read this old article by C. Braeckman, it still true today.<br />http://mondediplo.com/1999/10/08congo<br /> @ Patrick,<br />There is a lot of questions unanswered that should be investigate. Not necessary abiding to our own birthers' conspiratorial theories, one should wonder what exactly the relationship between Jk and Pk. They appear to have a common friend( James Kabahere). I won't believe that their friendship, as strong as they were, is a fruit of the past. Several rumors were spreading in Kinshasa that JK tried to toppled his father and he was put in jail for a while.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-69960101396067216932012-05-31T22:32:32.129-07:002012-05-31T22:32:32.129-07:00Expect more revelations from the 1994 genocide as ...Expect more revelations from the 1994 genocide as the Rwanda PR machine will try to deflect attention from the recent damaging revelations about its involvement in the latest Congolese (?) rebellion as per link below<br />http://journal.liberation.fr/publication/liberation/943/#!/0_0<br />One has to question Kinshasa's military and diplomatic strategy:<br />- Why did they decide to suspend military operations when they clearly had the upperhand ?<br />- Why not use the latest revelations about Rwandan's support for M23 to further weaken Rwanda image among international donors ?<br />This can only increase the perception of a collusion between PK and JK about the Kivus.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-34469216356450641952012-05-31T17:34:43.295-07:002012-05-31T17:34:43.295-07:00I think the potential oil and gas deposits in the ...I think the potential oil and gas deposits in the Virunga is the game changer ,you can't sing oil exploration contracts in Congo with the Rwandan Government. Why do you think KAGAME is trying to concentrate all the fighting in The Virunga. He knows very well that his m23 rebels will never regain control of Ruchuru or Masisi or any ether village inside the DRC territory but he is trying to turn the Virunga into a war zone and a mine field in order to delay and if possible to stop any potential oil exploration .congo manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281097988239620048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-22930571743421600962012-05-31T16:11:12.024-07:002012-05-31T16:11:12.024-07:00I strongly believe the relationship between Tony B...I strongly believe the relationship between Tony Blair,Bill Cliton and Kagame was financial, I don't believe in that genocide guilt because both Cliton and Blair care less about Africans, it was all about COLTAN,GOLD ...I strongly believe that both Cliton and Tony Blair made more blood money from Eastern DRC than Kagame,and Museveni.congo manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281097988239620048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-46732975522464669962012-05-31T10:22:04.755-07:002012-05-31T10:22:04.755-07:00I don't think Tony Blair, Suzan Rice or the Cl...I don't think Tony Blair, Suzan Rice or the Clinton will suddenly support Congo's cause. I think for them relation with Rwanda is more personal than anything else. The guilt for not stopping the Rwandese genocide still dictate their view of foreign policy toward this country. I don't think they will say anything to upset their great friend.<br />In another hand, we should welcome any parliamentary action that spread the message for all those congolese butchered in the East. I think our handicap is that the situation is complex and nobody cares enough to try to understand the whole thing. Rwanda has been successful so far to present a clear cut situation : bad hutus trying to kill good Tutsis. They are recycling the message now with the resurgence of the FDLR ( notice how Kin and the M23 accused each other of a link with FDLR, scared of Rwanda? Pathetic).<br />We should simplify our message and stick to it even if it's reductive. We are in a fast food world. She Okitundu was in the right path when he was minister with his "white book". That brochure helped a lot. It's a shame the government is not a credible partner ( where are my 5 billions?lol). That's help to have a credible partner to talk to.<br />As long as the Rwandese narrative will stick, we won't be even close to Darfour. Sometimes being right doesn't get you anywhere. Ask the palestinians.blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-33407492044412327942012-05-31T09:20:09.270-07:002012-05-31T09:20:09.270-07:00What we the Congolese people who live in Congo and...What we the Congolese people who live in Congo and aborad, we have to find a way to unite and fight to have better process of other elections so we don't end up with the ones we just had for 2011. We need to have a solution if we want to see Congo dramatically change.FrancoPepeKallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432227129763434585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-38017724843511913972012-05-31T09:03:24.753-07:002012-05-31T09:03:24.753-07:00andrea -
You are right Rusesabagina's name se...andrea -<br /><br />You are right Rusesabagina's name seems a bit odd! I was hoping to see more Labour MPs to make it a bit more a cross party issue but it seems there are only the Con-Dems and some Lords... I would have loved to see the name of people like the Right Reverend Michael Scott-Joynt, unfortunately, he has now retired... I wonder what people like John Santamu makes of the whole DRC drama ...<br /><br />I bet Vava Tampa is the driving force behind that letter but I wonder if he always associates the right people or indeed gauge the perception within the community to inform his approaches...<br /><br />Many thanks for the link to the flyer. I've penciled it down and provided there is no clash on my June schedule I hope to attend workshop. Perhaps we could link up from then!<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-40024056669416850992012-05-31T08:24:41.794-07:002012-05-31T08:24:41.794-07:00http://www.soleildugraben.com/http://www.soleildugraben.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com