tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post4596470404939981554..comments2024-02-24T06:10:42.255-08:00Comments on Congo Siasa: Attempts to spread the M23 rebellionJason Stearnshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11454449854081540397noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-10717155450770602752012-10-07T12:04:04.106-07:002012-10-07T12:04:04.106-07:00Hi all,
2 more high-ranking officers of M23 surre...Hi all,<br /><br />2 more high-ranking officers of M23 surrender to FARDC with their men and weapons. (http://radiookapi.net/actualite/2012/10/07/ituri-deux-nouveaux-officiers-proches-du-m23-se-sont-rendus-aux-fardc/)<br />There will be more. Congolese people will prevail!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02679890703198501517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-26791325320735887342012-10-07T01:54:25.589-07:002012-10-07T01:54:25.589-07:00@ Rich, that is good to hear that you don't su...@ Rich, that is good to hear that you don't support FDLR.I too don't support those forces resolving issues with Arms, totally against it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-43384132711664613012012-10-06T14:32:35.950-07:002012-10-06T14:32:35.950-07:00Blogging Forward -
If you are camping on this blo...Blogging Forward -<br /><br />If you are camping on this blog to try and find or blame someone for the existence of FDLR I would advise that you decamp because you are not going to get anywhere expect meeting your frustration again and again! <br /><br />FDLR is a negative force and any sound minded person, like the majority on this blog, can never condone what they are what they do and what they stand for. The same applies for the other negative forces found in eastern DRC. <br /><br />So repeating your chorus on anti tutsi as you are, is getting quite desperate and boring.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-52185239446757168562012-10-06T13:47:19.877-07:002012-10-06T13:47:19.877-07:00and about Congo's legacy in sheltering,support...and about Congo's legacy in sheltering,supporting Genocide criminals:<br /><br />http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin520.html<br /><br />And about anti tutsi hate speech also promoted by some Congolese (pretty similar to the anti tutsi hate speech current climate in DRC):<br /><br />http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin_22698.html<br /><br />You'll surely be remembered for your support of xenophobia,genocide!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-80614151142534621892012-10-06T13:33:46.898-07:002012-10-06T13:33:46.898-07:00@ Rich, I expected you to defend Victoire Ingabire...@ Rich, I expected you to defend Victoire Ingabire, as most Congolese do. As for your choice of to live 'away' from a country with a culture of ethnic hatred and genocide ideology, well, you're living in a country where your fellow Congolese are sheltering Genocide criminals going back to 1965!!!<br /><br />by the way, Human rights watch published a report urging DRC Government to deal with injustice suffered by Banyamulenge:<br /><br />http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/10/04/dr-congo-awaiting-justice-one-year-after-ethnic-attack<br /><br />Remember August 2004 too when your Mai Mai,interahamwe,FNL PALIPEHUTU (the other group your People support) slaughtered 160Banyamulenge (Youngest victim was 3Months old),this was done on Burundi's territory just as Congolese Mulelist with Palipehutu,Tanzanians did it in 1965 and 1972 in South of Burundi murdering Tutsis as usual<br /><br />http://agathonrwasa.blogspot.co.uk/2005/07/more-pictures-from-august-13th-2004.html<br /><br />Who has a culture of using machetes against Tutsis?<br /><br />As I said,believe whatever you choose to believe in,and support whoever you choose to support, but we shall never forget our Families and Friends whom your People murdered!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-22756317427575462222012-10-06T13:29:15.710-07:002012-10-06T13:29:15.710-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-80048738542650117262012-10-06T11:09:45.174-07:002012-10-06T11:09:45.174-07:00@ Blogging Forward
Actually, the Congolese have n...@ Blogging Forward<br /><br />Actually, the Congolese have never lacked for visionary leaders. Even in the run-up to independence there was a contrast between the unitary model offered by Lumumba and the decentralized federalist model favored by Kasavubu (Kongo), Tshombe (Lunda), and Kalonji (Luba). The federalists tended to represent longstanding precolonial polities.<br /><br />Cold war geopolitics and external economic interests were able to exploit these divisions within the Congolese political system.<br /><br />Rightly or wrongly, American diplomats during the Kennedy/Johnson years tried to bring Kasavubu and Tshombe factions together. Individuals like Gizenga and LDK took the position of their martyred leader.<br /><br />Mobutu brought the army into the equation and established a presidential system - sort of along the French 5th Republic model. All the leaders I've mentioned understood the importance of establishing a Congolese national identity - they were divided by differing systemic models.<br /><br />I'm not sure the systemic question has ever been resolved - that is for the congolese electorate to decide within the context of a vibrant parliament and a free-thinking media.<br /><br />Rich is quite right, there is a debate going on within the DRC that Rwandans can, at present, only look on with envy.<br /><br />Brucebfhendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08346405979512004758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-17277265248406182892012-10-06T11:07:44.787-07:002012-10-06T11:07:44.787-07:00Blogging Forward -
Victoire Ingambire trial faile...Blogging Forward -<br /><br />Victoire Ingambire trial failed to show beyond any doubt that she is a revisionist, let alone a FDLR sympathiser. It's a political trial so don't try and defend it here.<br /><br />As for Congo being badly managed, we don't dispute that but put in front of a choice, I'd rather be in Congo than in a country with a culture of ethnic hatred and genocide ideology. That's my choice but I guess you have yours.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-78361538724879087702012-10-06T10:12:24.090-07:002012-10-06T10:12:24.090-07:00@ Rich, Victoire Ingabire, you mean the Woman who ...@ Rich, Victoire Ingabire, you mean the Woman who went to the genocide memorial centre and made a revisionist statement on the Genocide? In Germany,France, if you dare make revisionist statements on the Holocaust, it is a criminal offence!<br /><br />As for the Congo, it is badly managed, Congo has never had any true Leader except the visionary Patrice Lumumba whom we all respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-65813437811144393532012-10-06T09:16:50.626-07:002012-10-06T09:16:50.626-07:00Blogging Forward -
In case you did not know, ther...Blogging Forward -<br /><br />In case you did not know, there are still problems but DRC offers more space to political opinion than rwanda.<br /><br />Mind you the equivalent of the main Congolese oponent (Etienne Tshisekedi) in rwanda (Victoire Ingambire) has been in prison for more than 700 days today, for far too less than half of what Tshisekedi could be accused of.<br /><br />I can understand your skepticism but you should follow debates at the Congolese parliament, follow any TV debate or even read the Congolese press in Kinshasa to make up your own mind.<br /><br />Rich Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-55660536615383774172012-10-06T08:20:42.043-07:002012-10-06T08:20:42.043-07:00@ Rich, that is the best joke I've ever heard,...@ Rich, that is the best joke I've ever heard, DRC Government provides more political space? I guess that's why Chebeya was silenced,right? I guess Congolese will vote for Joseph Kabila again,right? Well done,DRC most 'democratic' government...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-10254204590795412822012-10-06T07:57:13.126-07:002012-10-06T07:57:13.126-07:00Blogging Forward -
I know DRC is in a mess but th...Blogging Forward -<br /><br />I know DRC is in a mess but there is more political space and free debate than there is in rwanda. That in itself is a sign that DRC is heading in the correct direction despite all the destabilising efforts from those who are benefiting directly from a weak DRC.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-25474766624836035222012-10-06T04:07:01.842-07:002012-10-06T04:07:01.842-07:00@ Rich, so, your DRC Government is well led? DRC&#...@ Rich, so, your DRC Government is well led? DRC's wealth,aid and direct investments injected in DRC, how come DRC is still a mess?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-45949416419404266462012-10-06T04:00:51.531-07:002012-10-06T04:00:51.531-07:00I just read in radio okapi that one of the command...I just read in radio okapi that one of the commander for M23 has returned to FARDC. I also read somewhere that the is infighting within M23 in terms of distribution of income that they are generating. apparently some members are unhappy that all the money is going to Bosco Ntanganda. I really wonder what the future holds.tresorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00257606085533911971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-89690644224599260412012-10-06T03:36:17.997-07:002012-10-06T03:36:17.997-07:00muana congo -
There were extraordinary things in ...muana congo -<br /><br />There were extraordinary things in his speech. However, I simply note that we've seen far more defiant despots with far more sophisticated dictatorships to be impressed by king kagame's latest hysterical fit.<br /><br />Remeber Saddam Hussein? Muamar Gaddafi? Hosni Mubarak? Joseph Desire Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbandu Wazabanga wa Milele na Milele? ...<br /><br />Only a few days before he was lynched to death, Gaddafi was defiantly saying in his broken English, "all my piple love me... they will die to protect me my piple..."<br /><br />So kagame can have as many rants as he wishes the fact is he has lost all credibility and he has run out of ideas to deflect attention for his negative policy in the region.<br /><br />RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301460106025447019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-17121258200845231392012-10-06T02:35:22.088-07:002012-10-06T02:35:22.088-07:00French Minister traps himself by saying 'the p...French Minister traps himself by saying 'the protection of Congo Forest,I beg your pardon, the forests of Gabon and as a whole...', powerful nations will fight to control DRC, with Western Nations leading:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/b6UquRFmPykAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-63866481026534371572012-10-05T09:02:48.994-07:002012-10-05T09:02:48.994-07:00SAINTE COLERE
King Kagame freaks out and curses e...SAINTE COLERE<br /><br />King Kagame freaks out and curses everyone, his generous benefactors in the IC first.<br />(http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15136&a=59156)<br /><br />He says strange things, here are 3 of them:<br /><br />(1)He says: “If Rwandans at any moment feel that I am not defending their interests as I should – please let me know and I will step down immediately”<br />Wow, really? How would Rwandans do that if you have completely muzzled them, and you are in fact a “semi god”?<br /><br />(2)He says : “Rwandaphones are persecuted every day”. Where, how, by whom?<br /><br />(3)He waffles on about foreign and int’l pressure. Look, our Rwandan brothers should realize that self-deceptive propaganda is different from economic reality. Rwandan is the only country in the world that depends solely on foreign handouts. The AgDF gimmick will take 30 years to make up $2 bil/year of public foreign aid that Rwanda receives. How about aid through int’l NGOs?<br />Also, the victim mentality and the exploitation of “genocide-pity” will not work forever, donors’ economies are in trouble.<br /><br /> <br />In shorts, this loony and his worshipers live in their own parallel world.That is why this is the time to cut any foreign aid to both Rwanda and DRC until they stop the ongoing human tragedy in the Kivus. As for the M3 mob, the defeat of Al-Shabaab (100x more dangerous than M23) is awaiting them.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02679890703198501517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-40458181095971425312012-10-05T08:36:27.774-07:002012-10-05T08:36:27.774-07:00@Blaise,Mobutu's relationship with Rwanda geno...@Blaise,Mobutu's relationship with Rwanda genocidal government is no secret,from 1990's,Zaire's Army together with French and Belgian Armies supported Rwanda's Juvenal Habyarimana,this is disturbing considering the history of Belgium's involvement in inciting hatred against Tutsi,and eventually Belgium's participation in 1959 Rwanda Genocide against Tutsi together with Parimehutu!That's why no Genocide survivor can ever trust the UN!!!!As for our opposition to those who continue to stir up trouble against Rwanda,you won't get far, freeze up as much aid as you possibly can, God will pave a way for Rwanda,with or without the international support, which international community contributed by the way to 1994 Rwanda Tutsi genocide of 1.2Million People!!!!! As for your conspiracy theories, you're fooled by listening to the same Agents sent by those true forces seeking to destabilise DRC and Africa as a whole!!!!If anyone has learnt from how Moise Tshombe and Mobutu were used, it would be foolish to listen to countries like Belgium (Congo's resources profiteers from 1800), but it is not for me to dictate to you who you listen to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-21479524647559937722012-10-05T04:30:42.783-07:002012-10-05T04:30:42.783-07:00Finally,the complete report from Crisis group
http...Finally,the complete report from Crisis group<br />http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/Files/africa/central-africa/dr-congo/b091-lest-du-congo-pourquoi-la-stabilisation-a-echoue.pdfblaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-24405982447562852312012-10-05T04:29:13.555-07:002012-10-05T04:29:13.555-07:00But president Kagame didn't walk out because o...But president Kagame didn't walk out because of what the Belgian FM was saying. Didn't the Rwandan's delegation stayed?Wouldn't it be logic for the whole delegation to leave if it was a gesture like you are alleging?<br />As for the Rwandan Genocide,I never pretended to be an expert in the matter.My question was simple:how many Zairian were involved in it like you stated.Was Mobutu supplied men and ammo to is counterpart? That was my question.<br />About the 10,000 massacred back in the day, my question is again,how do you know they were Zairian involved?Was it a Hutu/Tutsi continuous feud or a large scale conspiracy?<br />About Iran,it was illustrative not an endorsement.<br />Bottom line,accusations can go both ways.It's not black and white,there is no angel or demon here,but human.Like someone said"tant qu'il y a des hommes,il y a de l'hommerie"blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-29179267227135642252012-10-05T02:27:23.041-07:002012-10-05T02:27:23.041-07:00@ Blaise, anti Rwanda activists and campaigners se...@ Blaise, anti Rwanda activists and campaigners seem to enjoy making immoral attacks saying 'Rwanda uses the excuse of Genocide to bully...Rwanda uses the excuse of sending their Army to DRC to track down Genocide criminals...Rwanda uses the excuse of hunting down genocide criminals for economic gains in DRC...' Isn't that the same kind of hate speech by Iran President? No wonder why DRC government is an ally with Iran,right?<br /><br />It was right for Western Nations to walk out whenever Iran President makes incendiary statements, and it was right for Rwanda President to walk out when clearly Belgium is once again inciting hatred against Tutsi in their lobby at the UN,a clear provocation to us all survivors of Genocide:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/tucdrmMeVLIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-48990170135794224912012-10-05T00:06:32.054-07:002012-10-05T00:06:32.054-07:00@ Blaise, about Egypt arms supply to perpetrators ...@ Blaise, about Egypt arms supply to perpetrators of 1994 Rwanda Tutsi genocide, you forgot to mention that French Bank paid for those arms, and you forgot to mention that 6arms deliveries were shipped from the UK between the period of April and July 1994, after RPF advance in July 1994,the same UK based Arms company continued to supply weapons in Kinshasa and Eastern Congo, those involved in the supply of arms are not just Russians,there are more Viktor Bouts:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/CpgFqmQSY2EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-87016461001995312042012-10-04T11:11:47.769-07:002012-10-04T11:11:47.769-07:00@Blaise, at least, that is one thing we can both a...@Blaise, at least, that is one thing we can both agree on:Justice and reparation for the victimsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-90047426410952089592012-10-04T09:38:09.597-07:002012-10-04T09:38:09.597-07:00I think the big problem there is impunity.As long ...I think the big problem there is impunity.As long as people will feel that they can do whatever they want without consequences,it will be revenges after revenges.Only justice can bring peace.(my opinion)<br />I don't know how it will look like but all I know is that I don't want my country to have the dubious honor of sending war criminals in the Hague.<br />There is a need for reparation out there.The same way Gacaca tribunals tried 2 heal your wounds,the same way justice has to be done.Whoever that committed a crime shall receive a just retribution and his/her victim compensate. We don't need a justice vindictive but a justice reconstructive.<br />blaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271081481475980902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1209670742820403516.post-20706078104385012012-10-04T07:04:02.729-07:002012-10-04T07:04:02.729-07:00@ Blaise, Bosco Ntaganda is no Angel, but what I a...@ Blaise, Bosco Ntaganda is no Angel, but what I am saying is that the international community (with Belgium leading) are blatantly biased, how do you explain that ICC did not convict FDLR Leader? All FDLR Commanders move freely in Western Capitals, so, ICC is not exactly fair in their campaigns! You could make the same argument on Ivory Coast, Libya, why is it that no one at ICC seems to be keen on challenging crimes committed by Libya and Ivory Coast Rebels?<br /><br />I say it again,Nkunda and Ntaganda are no Angels,and so as the other Rebel Leaders in DRC,DRC Government and Army are not either!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com